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  • freakytears

    DEFTONES<3333

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  • KillAllEnemys

    Deftones less popular then Disturbed? Are you kidding me? They are Gods of Nu Metal.

    senaste månaden
  • Sofia_ZARAZA

    >"The reason Nu Metal is the most misunderstood genre of all times, is because of it's name. If it was called something like "NU-SMASH", nobody would bitch about the "lack of metal" in this genre or how "Limp Bizkit ruined metal" or whatever stupid things people have to say about a genre they don't understand." [2] - that makes sense, also it's cause many so called "metalheads" are so fuckin arrogant, especially the teenage ones and think hating & expressing that hate towards other genres for not being metal or traditional enough believe it makes themselves look even more TRU, but that's what only what they think among with other metolheads with similar intelligence level. They don't realize that on the other side they remind those people in middle age crisis with their moral outrages. And yes on the other hand there are those nu metal fans that think listening to slipknot makes them metalheads, but they are a small part of the nu metal fanbase, especially today's fanbase

    senaste månaden
  • carli666

    ZİGGURAT - Kudretim Var (2015) New song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FH911O1ss

    senaste månaden
  • MegaDave89

    Slipknot, Linkin Park and System Of A Down rocks!

    maj 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    I also agree that Godflesh sounds a bit like nu metal, occasionally. Hymns album sounds like Korn at times.

    maj 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    What I meant with my statement: "I think the term "industrial metal" is in some cases just used to describe nu-metal with electronic sounds involved." was that people misuse the term that way. Not that I think it really is that. I was a bit unclear in my statement, apologies.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    I have to jump in to comment that TRANCE IS THE MOTION by Static-X is not very industrial metal in my opinion. >>> Maybe so. I think there are a lot of similarities with Nu Metal and Godflesh though, the main one being Godflesh focus on textures rather than riffs. Also the low end bass, and the dissonance has striking similarities. In terms of Static-X, I do think a lot of their work resembles Godflesh rhythms - the main rhythm in "Like Rats" is a good example. Static-X rhythms are just cleaner, more processed than Godflesh's, and Static-X also differ slightly in that they use electronics as interludes, to build to the rhythm. Where one draws the line as to what is Metal, and what is not, is unclear though.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    "I think the term "industrial metal" is in some cases just used to describe nu-metal with electronic sounds involved." >>> I always thought Industrial Nu Metal was more Funk driven than Industrial Metal. "See You On The Other Side" is a perfect example. Plus Nu Metal drumming often uses syncopated snare work, and interlocking snare & bass patterns which gives a Funk feel to the rhythm. Compare them with Fear Factory and the latter has much faster, thicker rhythm section. I think FF's trademark machine-gun double bass was key to them classified as a Metal band. Ministry also use a lot of double bass. Maybe the vocals played a part in the classification as a Metal band too. FF's had slightly higher pitched vocals than bands such as Static-X, who tended to 'spit them out'. FF also mixed harsh and cleans as Godflesh did later on.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    "There was one Korn song (think it's off the first album) which had some death metal vocals,">>> Not sure what song you mean but "Ball Tongue" has a similar riff to Morbid Angel's "Angel of Disease" and they covered "God of Emptiness" during the Issues era.

    maj 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    The reason Nu Metal is the most misunderstood genre of all times, is because of it's name. If it was called something like "NU-SMASH", nobody would bitch about the "lack of metal" in this genre or how "Limp Bizkit ruined metal" or whatever stupid things people have to say about a genre they don't understand.

    maj 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    I have to jump in to comment that TRANCE IS THE MOTION by Static-X is not very industrial metal in my opinion. There's almost rap-like vocals in the verses, and the rhytm guitars do some very typical nu-metal stuff. I think the term "industrial metal" is in some cases just used to describe nu-metal with electronic sounds involved.

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    ..is mostly clean vocals, like that LB song it sounds aggressive but listenable. You probably can't even make out what most of those other death/black metal band songs i posted. I couldn't make out what JP was saying in the beginning of 'All Guns Blazing' the very first time i heard that song. It was until they repeated it was when i was able to figure out what it was (i still had to look up the lyrics for help) but with any death metal or black metal track 99% of the lyrics is illegible to hear until you get a lyric sheet. I still have trouble with hearing most of it but it's similar with a lot of different styles not just death metal but i can make out more words from a rap, rock or pop song then i could with a death/black metal song. So naturally they do have to tone down just a tad with the metal so you can hear what the artist is saying better.

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    Also nu metal isn't supposed to be metal driven either... except traditional metal, both death and black metal are extreme subgenres of metal. Besides Anaal Nathrakh (which that track is beyond a clusterfuck) which is mostly experimental, you got Cryptopsy, Suffocation, Spawn of Possession, Behemoth, Darkspace, Miseration which mainly uses screams/growls. Even Judas Priest use harsh vocals (which is apparent in the beginning, which can be cheesy or extreme to some people). Artists like Limp Bizkit

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    *are (i evidently hit the c instead of space bar lol)

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    Spineshank is more alternative rock driven while Anaal Nathrakh is mainly pure black/death, but i do hear a similarity. Maybe it's mostly the industrial aesthetic with the aggressive vocals.

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    Personally i think bands like Reveille, 40 Below Summer (which this and Slipknot can appear to imitate death metal at times) Dry Kill Logic (If you don't hear the metal riffing in this i suggest you recheck your hearing)care metal and they use a lot of rap vocals. There was one Korn song (think it's off the first album) which had some death metal vocals, can't recall which song it was either. I also forgot Stain from Spineshank has quite a bit of death metal feel IMO and some of their later stuff. Much of their stuff is mostly industrial to me, but i find Height of Callousness to be similar to Anaal Nathrakh, though Anaal Nathrakh is more black/death industrial oriented.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    (continued) Although I said earlier, the tone and textures to Nu Metal are often creepy (often from Goth/Industrial), who's to say the creepy sounds are not from Hip-Hop, imitated on the guitar? Wu-Tang Clan had some eerie beats. "Follow the Leader" has an eerie intro to many of the albums songs, but at the same time it's "trippy" & free-flowing - much like Hip-Hop music. Need I go on? Korn and Limp Bizkit members are big Rap fans, as well as Funk and/or Industrial Rock fans. Metal fans? To an extent, especially if you call Faith No More Metal. To sum up, Slipknot are the most Metal of the Nu Metal bands - especially their later, non-acoustic material. - because they are more about RIFFS. Most Nu Metal bands are more concerned with not the riffs but the feelings/atmospheres created by the textures/tones (and vocals) and, most importantly, RHYTHM.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    Most metalheads argue Nu Metal bands (I mean the pure Hip-Hop & Funk based Nu Metal bands and not the Alternative/Nu Metal crossover bands who also incorporate Industrial/Goth etc), are not Metal because of the rapping. Well I'd add to that by rapping is not the only Hip-Hop element in Nu Metal. There are record scratchings, either from a DJ or imitated by a guitarist. Listen to the Korn's debut and "Faget" has that sound in one of the channels (just before the line "you will suck my dick".) Also... Funk! Funky beats are a huge part of Hip-Hop. In Nu Metal, rhythm instruments and drums often play interlocking rhythms, as per Funk music. Fieldy even says that Korn doesn't have a bassist - the bass is used as a rhythmic instrument. In terms of influences Rage Against The Machine were key to many Nu Metal bands (Snot, Limp Bizkit etc.) due to Rage's Funk elements. Plus Morello made guitar solos sound like DJ scratches, an idea Morello got from listening to Hip-Hop.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    "Actually a lot of modern metal stuff that metalheads approve is as far from 70s/80s sounds as nu." Agreed especially a lot of Blackgaze, Ambient Black Metal, Funeral Doom etc. The problem with me calling all Nu Metal "Metal" is that the "Metal" part of Nu Metal isn't pure Metal to start with. It's either Industrial, Gothic or Groove Metal (and often chugging groove rather than the half Thrash, shredding, Pantera style groove.) I think only a select few Nu Metal bands, like early Mudvayne, come close to a Pantera style groove. Others chug or perhaps were more inspired by the rhythms in Sepultura's "Roots" (considered a Nu Metal album to start with.) Even Deftones have chugged throughout their entire discography - from "Bored" to "Beware." Although bands like the Deftones do use typical Heavy Metal chord progressions (VI - i), it's not pure, traditional Metal to start with, and the Metal is often further watered down with other styles - Hip-Hop, Grunge, Reggae, Shoegaze etc.

    maj 2015
  • L57NT

    This "non-metal" discussion is quite ironic. As if all modern "true metal" genres had so much in common with traditional heavy metal and hard rock. Actually a lot of modern metal stuff that metalheads approve is as far from 70s/80s sounds as nu.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    On the other hand, you good make a strong case that a lot of Nu Metal is closer to Alternative Rock, Funk Rock, Grunge, Industrial Rock etc. Let's no forget the huge array of influences that Nu Metal borrows from. For instance, Korn covered the R&B/Funk song "Word Up!" for example, and they continued on that upbeat, funky (& Industrial tinged) path with "See You On the Other Side." Everyone cites Deftones as being the "artsy" and "soundscape" themed Nu Metal band by exploring sounds from Shoegaze, Kittie borrow the guitar tone of Grunge etc. There are so many influences throughout Nu Metal that it is hard to even draw the line as to what constitutes to Nu Metal. Personally, I wouldn't consider early Linkin Park (bar "One Step Closer"), early Papa Roach or P.O.D Nu Metal. There is not enough heavy GROOVE in those bands which is what MAKES Nu Metal, in my view.

    maj 2015
  • Trash73

    I think some of Nu Metal is Metal and some isn't. Some of it is (or very close to) Groove/Gothic/Industrial Metal while on the other side some of it is (or very close to) Alternative or Industrial Rock. For example: Mushroomhead's "Son of 7" is practically Groove Metal, Coal Chamber's "My Mercy" is practically Gothic Metal. Notice the solo as well for everyone who said 90's Nu Metal had no solos & it became more fashionable for Nu Metal bands to solo in the 00s-10s. Finally, Static-X's "The Trance is the Motion" is practically Industrial Metal.

    maj 2015
  • spineshank155

    You' might be right, i figured there was metalheads out there who do like nu metal & consider it a subgenre. I was reading somewhere that even some heavy/thrash metal bands out there like some nu metal. Machine Head, Fear Factory and a few other metal bands did put out some nu metal stuff as well. There's a guy somewhere on here too saying something about metal influencing nu metal, whether people like it or not. I can't stand glam metal but to me it doesn't make sense not to call it metal or whatever just because it doesn't sound like heavy metal or any of it's subgenres. I have been listening to a bit of nu metal here and there and to me it sounds like metal mixed with other styles. It's like those people who claim 'i don't hear any death metal in melodic death metal'. Early melodeath was mostly death metal with melody. There's a lot of crap in that genre though that often times gets mislabeled like later In Flames for an example which is barely melodic death metal since 2000 or so.

    april 2015
  • Trash73

    "Oddly enough there's some lists out there that have nu metal in their lists such as this and Korn is in this list." Hardly reliable sources, but I would consider music critic Scaruffi a reliable source: http://www.scaruffi.com/music/metal.html. Korn and Deftones' albums are on his best Heavy Metal albums.

    april 2015
  • Trash73

    "I've seen a lot of former industrial metal bands that I love start gearing towards nu metal." A very fine line between the two, even the mighty Fear Factory had some Nu Metal tinged material & Limp Bizkit covered Ministry's "Thieves". I can see a Nu Metal fan liking some Skinny Puppy or some Aggrotech/EBM like Suicide Commando, Agonoize etc.

    april 2015
  • Trash73

    Interesting discussion here. I still feel this genre is the most misunderstood genre of all of music. It was never suppose to sound like Metal. It was suppose to be creepy and textured - closer to Industrial or Goth music. See early Kittie and notice the comparisons to Riot Goth band Jack Off Jill, or Coal Chamber's gothic elements and imagery (mixed in with Korn/mid-era Sepultura style riffs.) CC's "Rowboat" and Kittie's "Immortal" are perfect examples of that creepy tone. Many bands are also Industrial & Groove Metal based and not Hip-Hop based. However, there is no denying that heavily distorted Mr. Bungle tritones found throughout Nu Metal do have some resemblance to Black Sabbath, intentionally or not. It was never supposed to be sloppy Extreme Metal or bluesy/operatic Heavy Metal. It was suppose to be creepy & emotional with a bit of groove to get people moving.

    april 2015
  • spineshank155

    I never had that problem with that. There was a period where i was a nu metal hater, but it was mostly due to lack of knowledge there are other styles of metal out there. Plus many nu metal bands would release one good release and that's pretty much it. The rest were either ok, mediocre or bad. Neither are really good excuses either, i realize that now and there are nu metal bands that i do still like, Dry Kill Logic, Spineshank, Mushroomhead, Mudvayne, Reveille ill Nino, ect.. that have released a set of good releases (well IIRC Revelle is still disbanded). There isn't anything wrong with liking trendy stuff though i prefer to listen to stuff i like so im constantly exploring new artists, if it's good no matter what genre it is that's what counts.

    april 2015
  • L57NT

    Most of the hate is just because of discomfort from the fact that nobody cares about your favorite music while almost everybody likes trendy stuff.

    april 2015
  • spineshank155

    What i find hilarious is that when people hate on nu metal, metalcore or deathcore and they try to tell people to listen to 'true metal' bands that are just as hated on. Look at Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Metallica, Pantera, Manowar ect.. and see how much hate those bands get from metalheads.

    april 2015
  • spineshank155

    Oddly enough there's some lists out there that have nu metal in their lists such as this and Korn is in this list. Metal is an umbrella tag so naturally it would show nu metal bands or whatever is the most tagged (or most popular?) and heavy metal was already ruined by the popularity of glam metal, but i think that sparked the idea of subgenres such as death metal and black metal. Most of the hate, imo is because of the mentality that it's cool (or some sort of obligation) to disrespect what you don't like or hate which was originally brought on by metal elitists. You can enjoy traditional metal or it's sub genres (or just listen to whichever you prefer) in which case i consider nu metal to be in with the subgenre of metal or at least a part of it.

    april 2015
  • fab_community

    lol, good point

    april 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    Just look at the METAL tag here on last.fm http://www.last.fm/tag/metal In the top 8 there's SOAD, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, Disturbed and Korn. All these bands are generally disliked among the "true metal"-people. WE WON, METAL NOW MEANS MARILYN MANSON, DEAL WITH IT.

    april 2015
  • Velvet_Myx

    Nu metal is not a metal subgenre. [2] I wish more people would realize this. So many retards would stay away from commenting how nu metal is not metal if it was called something else. Most of the hatred towards nu metal comes from bitter defeated souls, because their precious "metal" genre was utterly destroyed and mutilated by the mainstream success of nu metal.

    april 2015
  • CriticalSwitch

    Nu metal is not a metal subgenre. In its proper form it was far better than any metal subgenre. And many artists who were labeled as "nu metal" representatives don't like this term because of the word "metal" in it. My favourites are Slipknot's first 2 albums, first 3 albums by Deftones, the first album by Korn, everything by Soulfly and Static-X. I don't like commercial representatives of this genre, but I still like how they raped and buried so-called traditional "metal culture".

    april 2015
  • LiamRandolph

    This genre really does have an unfortunate reputation. Yes, it did indeed become horribly commercialized during the early 00s, spawning a huge wave of crappy bands trying to ride the bandwagon. But it wasn't the genre's fault; it was the music industry's. Back in the late 90s when it first started taking form it was seen as just another metal genre, and at the end of the day that's all it ever was. But now it's seen as being responsible for the "death" of trve metal because it just so happened to appear in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's fine if you don't like it because you're entitled to your own opinion, but if you're going to form an opinion about any music it should be based on the music itself and not on its community or its impact on the industry. I've seen a lot of former industrial metal bands that I love start gearing towards nu metal, but, while I largely prefer industrial metal, that has no influence on my opinion of nu metal itself. I still like both genres.

    mars 2015
  • FastWheels

    @xGunmetalAngel--Deathcore also has a lot of wiggers

    mars 2015
  • Akatsuki_Dei

    I like the genre. Disturbed is great, what's not to like.

    mars 2015
  • xGunmetalAngel

    It's no wigger's last hope. Ever heard of slam death metal? Tons of wiggers over there.

    mars 2015
  • PetitSagittaire

    Wiggers' last hope.

    februari 2015
  • chino_moreno22

    i don't get why there is tag nu metal and tag nu-metal

    december 2014
  • Lsm1995

    Evanescence, really? they only have nu metal influencies on their song "Bring me to Life"!

    december 2014
  • CriticalSwitch

    Slipknot were far better than SOAD.

    december 2014
  • LCDnewOrder

    Real talk, Nu Metal wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. But there were plenty of terrible bands in the scene (Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, etc.) and the good ones (Deftones, SOAD) got drowned out by all the crap. In a way, I'm glad people are re-assessing the genre now from a different perspective.

    december 2014
  • abipolarninja

    It's like the local non-classic rock station, but as a tag! It's got almost all the bands I love to hate. Fuck you korn and slipknot. Fuck you papa roach for me liking a song of yours as a child, chances are that you are right the world is better without you. It's like I'm a kid in a candy store, but with things to hate instead of candy. :'D thanks for whoever ironically tagged funeral mist, you've brought much catharsis to my jaded heart <3

    december 2014
  • spineshank155

    Traditional/metalhead elitists are generally l haters when artists experiment with metal, a classic example here Babymetal. The funny thing is, isn't there some traditional heavy metal bands that actually like nu metal and/or the experimentation with metal? It doesn't stop though with metalheads hating nu metal (it was widely bashed during the myspace days), there's also metalheads bashing on Metallica, Megadeth, Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir. Plenty of other bands but i think these people have nothing better to do than to hate on popular bands or whatever it is they feel is necessary. Oh and also Children of Bodom. These metalheads on myspace was typing stuff like, "why are you listening to nu metal junk, listen to Dimmu Borgir or Children of Bodom!" Then you got people on last.fm bashing Bodom for being generic. It doesn't stop at metalcore or deathcore either. "As I Lay Dying are for pussies". It's a vicious cycle.

    december 2014
  • Velvet_Myx

    Nu metal is about real things in real life, most of the "true metal" is about imaginary things and fairytales. I think the reason so many metalheads hate nu metal, is because the genre name has the word "metal" in it. If it was called something else, metalheads wouldn't have to feel like their precious genre of music is being raped by people like Fred Durst. Any of the arguments presented by metalheads don't have any value since it's all just excuses to cover up their insecurity about their selves and how they need their "metal" culture to feel important and/or loved. Of course not all metalheads are like this, but most of them are.

    december 2014
  • FactoryConnor

    @spineshank155 The Satanist tag has been overused, and I agree that some nu metal adolescent themes such as bad parents, rape, alienation, and alienation, is way more mature than "HAIL SATAN, BR00TAL!". Another nu metal band I think is political is Ill Nino at times.

    december 2014
  • FactoryConnor

    Sort of political, but AHC can be political at times.

    december 2014
  • FactoryConnor

    I write political songs btw. In the future I wish to plant them onto a band, that I would make.

    december 2014