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  • bluegrassishhh

    Yeah, I feel the same way about the modern kind, for the most part... Metallic hardcore is really good imo, but the newer bands are only good if you grew up with them. At least that's the case with me; nostalgia rules over all else. Nobody actually enjoys KSE without the childhood memories, right??? And trash73, I'm really not trying to differ with you or anything, it's just that all those subgenres are considerably heavier than nu (and thus closer to metal). I suppose you're right about the stigma though. I don't feel strongly about distancing myself from nu, but I just think it's far too soft and random (or varied, in this setting) to be considered metal. Alt-rock is a pretty appropriate catch-all term in my mind, but then again I'm really drunk right now and as I'm writing this I've completely forgotten what I'm talking about. Sorry.

    söndag morse
  • Trash73

    I don't think anyone is arguing whether Nu Metal is pure Metal, it clearly isn't. It is where you draw the line as to "what is Metal" is where some fans feel there is a stigma against Nu Metal. Particularly, when the borders of Metal are stretched elsewhere to suit some bands (e.g. Lifelover - Post-Punk, Sunn o))) - Drone/Ambient etc.) but the borders are cut off for some Nu Metal bands which are closer to Metal (early Mudvayne, Ektomorf, later Slipknot, Coal Chamber etc.)

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  • Trash73

    "I just think it's far-fetched to consider bands that draw nearly equal inspiration from hip-hop/electro/funk as rock/metal to belong to the same style that bred doom, death, and speed metal." You could also argue Thrash Metal and Grindcore takes equal inspiration from Hardcore and Crust Punk, Folk Metal takes equal inspiration from Folk music, Gothic Metal takes equal inspiration from Goth Rock etc. Plus, Faith No More are considered Metal (and they fuse Metal with 2 of the genres you mentioned and many others.) http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Faith_No_More/983

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  • L57NT

    "What type of metalcore are you thinking of? The modern kind, metallic hardcore, or are you just being general? " I'm thinking of both. I'd say that 90s metallic hardcore sounds like a better version of groove metal in general... or something like that. Late 00s metalcore is often a poppy chugging melo-death, bordering sometimes on alternative rock and etc. I don't consider both as "shitty" anymore though.

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  • bluegrassishhh

    vv What type of metalcore are you thinking of? The modern kind, metallic hardcore, or are you just being general? I think I missed your point. Metalcore is either a shitty form of hardcore, or in your opinion, a shitty form of metal? Um...

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  • bluegrassishhh

    I just think it's far-fetched to consider bands that draw nearly equal inspiration from hip-hop/electro/funk as rock/metal to belong to the same style that bred doom, death, and speed metal. Of course, how much they sound like this or that depends on the band, but most bands in the genre ultimately fall closer to alt-rock. Most, not all. I could, for instance, go along with calling Otep metal, but the majority of leading nu bands aren't even close to as heavy as them. I simply don't hear the reason why you'd wanna toss all of those bands under "metal", but maybe I'm alone here.

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  • L57NT

    "Metalcore isn't a subgenre of metal." Metalcore has much more in common with metal music than hardcore. When I was into hardcore punk, I rejected all metalcore (including non-mainstream 90s one) as shitty metal subgenre (I considered that all metal is crap back then). And then again, yes, a lot of modern metal is as far away from metal as nu metal. Moreover, heavy metal has already started to erode back in the 80s, since thrash metal had became leading underground subgenre, and thrash metal was a merger of a more aggressive side of heavy metal or speed metal and hardcore punk. First wave black metal was even more punkish.

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  • Trash73

    it wasn't my intention to start an argument around that. It was my intention to bring up the fact that that Metal isn't clearly defined. Both Heavy Metal and Nu Metal stem from Rock but are "heavier." You could find a general rule to define Metal but there would always be exceptions. In philosophy, generally, when there is no line of definition it is understood that the subject has no meaning. Blackgaze, Ambient Black Metal, Drone Doom & Funeral Doom etc. are just as far away from Metal as a lot of Nu Metal. A lot of Nu Metal isn't too far away from Soulfly & Devildriver which is considered Metal.

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  • bluegrassishhh

    Not arguing with that. I'm saying nu metal isn't a metal subgenre.

    lördag morse
  • Trash73

    " And nu metal is essentially just heavier alt-rock. Just pointing that out..." And Heavy Metal is essentially just heavier Hard Rock. Just pointing that out.

    lördag morse
  • bluegrassishhh

    Metalcore isn't a subgenre of metal. And nu metal is essentially just heavier alt-rock. Just pointing that out...

    onsdag kväll
  • bobo9390

    I've always been kind of a hipster douche though. I don't see a point in sugarcoating or denying why you enjoy a genre.

    12 dagar sedan
  • bobo9390

    "Full of self-conscious metrosexuals playing at who's gonna growl the loudest to make the fangirls wet their pants" That's the appeal, though! I don't get why people point that out like it's bad. No other Metal subgenre does melodrama and cheesiness the same way. Power Metal is ultra cheesy, but in a different manner. The whiny vocals and slick production are my favorite things about it, despite being why most people hate it.

    12 dagar sedan
  • spineshank155

    With that being said with the internet around, this tag is majorly redundant lol.

    12 dagar sedan
  • spineshank155

    Haha, well not everyone knows the difference between metalcore and power metal, they just think it's all metal. Like Limp Bizkit, Manowar and Deicide people tend to lump it all as metal.

    12 dagar sedan
  • Schander

    Such a redundant tag. Name me one band that is just plain METAL. Not death metal, thrash metal, black metal or whatever... just METAL. If there's one real use for tags, it's classifying the incredibly vast musical differences among artists. In my view, the genre metal is simply way to general... it's almost like one step away from tagging something with "music".

    13 dagar sedan
  • PetitSagittaire

    @bobo9390 Born Of Osiris, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Converge, Between the Buried and Me, Betraying the Martyrs, The Dillinger Escape Plan... is it Metalcore enough for you? Like TheOnlyMAD said earlier, "Only people who have heard very few metal bands can hate the genre". Digzh wrote "Worst genre ever for being a fan" depsites having mostly if not only Metalcore bands in his library...Yes of course, I've exaggerated, there are good Metalcore bands but it's still one of the most cliché and mass produced subgenres of Metal, along with Deathcore, Nu Metal & cie. Full of self-conscious metrosexuals playing at who's gonna growl the loudest to make the fangirls wet their pants. To see someone bash a whole genre just after having listened to such a watered down subgenre is ridiculous.

    23 dagar sedan
  • Venerated

    https://humanfuture.bandcamp.com/ Our debut album, 'Spectrum', is available to download for free and vinyl can be ordered from http://www.holyroarrecords.com/categories/truthseeker

    senaste månaden
  • bobo9390

    "@Digzh Get back when you'll stop listening to gay Metalcore LOL" You don't even listen to any Gay Metalcore yet you think your opinion on it is relevant. Lol ok

    senaste månaden
  • metaloly999

    metal and hardcore isn't same. Why everybody still didn't understand this ?

    senaste månaden
  • PetitSagittaire

    @Digzh Get back when you'll stop listening to gay Metalcore LOL

    senaste månaden
  • Beast-Robot

    Don't miss this one too, https://youtu.be/swDaC3pnieQ

    senaste månaden
  • spineshank155

    Reggaeton metal? lol

    senaste månaden
  • egorov9987

    Reykon is metal? WTF?

    senaste månaden
  • TheOnlyMAD

    Only people who have heard very few metal bands can hate the genre.

    mars 2015
  • hadomaru

    Alice in Chains \\m/

    februari 2015
  • Digzh

    Worst genre ever for being a fan. Just saying.

    februari 2015
  • jamesusillxd

    Free to download: https://rivalyouthcultsemerge.bandcamp.com/album/harp Atmospheric Black Metal mixed with genres like Post-rock and Shoegaze

    januari 2015
  • redgrave9

    someone should make fun of me for writing two lines of comment

    januari 2015
  • redgrave9

    today i learned i'm less of a sheep if i take all my opinions from something less popular. thanks metal shoutbox !!

    januari 2015
  • MetalRock1989

    Metal rules!

    januari 2015
  • witch_possessed

    definitely the worst tag ive ever seen. even worse than ponyrape

    januari 2015
  • chagak89

    Uhh, no it's not. If you're purposely doing something because it's not mainstream or bashing things that are mainstream, then you're still letting yourself and your interests be influenced by what's popular. It's not impressive. [3]

    december 2014
  • alexawm182

    https://windswithhands.bandcamp.com

    november 2014
  • spineshank155

    how i feel when people complain over metal bands that are not metal such as Babymetal

    november 2014
  • Trash73

    Uhh, no it's not. If you're purposely doing something because it's not mainstream or bashing things that are mainstream, then you're still letting yourself and your interests be influenced by what's popular. It's not impressive. [2]

    november 2014
  • bobo9390

    "If sheep behaviour refers to following the flock, stupidly following mainstream trends is more of a sheep behaviour than blindly going against them" Uhh, no it's not. If you're purposely doing something because it's not mainstream or bashing things that are mainstream, then you're still letting yourself and your interests be influenced by what's popular. It's not impressive.

    november 2014
  • necro_daemon

    Worst tag ever

    oktober 2014
  • metalbyorg

    http://metalby.org/

    oktober 2014
  • spineshank155

    http://img.4plebs.org/boards/x/image/1400/16/1400165499709.jpg

    oktober 2014
  • friendlyfire92

    "Bashing all things mainstream is just as much sheep behaviour as only listening to mainstream stuff. If not more." If sheep behaviour refers to following the flock, stupidly following mainstream trends is more of a sheep behaviour than blindly going against them, since that flock is larger. Both ways are pretty close-minded, though.

    oktober 2014
  • mikenike925

    when people say they like metal but only listen to the big 5

    oktober 2014
  • Ave_Nelchael

    http://ulozto.net/xMgypndf/ciltibikue-rar

    oktober 2014
  • Dimka665

    there are you can download metal torrent http://music-torrent.net/metal

    oktober 2014
  • Trash73

    "as I wondered like a wolf among sheep"

    oktober 2014
  • Trash73

    Bashing all things mainstream is just as much sheep behaviour as only listening to mainstream stuff. If not more. [2]

    oktober 2014
  • spineshank155

    Nickelback is the only true metal band. [2]

    oktober 2014
  • JamesPhillips70

    Nickelback is the only true metal band.

    oktober 2014
  • spineshank155

    @super-goomba Some people like to keep it simple. Doesn't mean they know nothing about metal.

    oktober 2014
  • bluegrassishhh

    I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy.. :-(

    oktober 2014