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  • tomlinson666

    i wish i could get into this :(

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  • althefknamsrtkn

    Said all it needed to say between 1980 and 1995. Needs to go away forever now.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm2thGslz7A Made some raw black metal parody!

    10 dagar sedan
  • adam11i13

    One of the best musical genres ever. [2]

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    So after looking into it more with an open mind, too much of it clips for me...even Xanthochroid clips to intense degrees, and I hate audio shredding. The better produced black metal bands are pretty awesome, though, like Forever Dawn: https://foreverdawn.bandcamp.com/

    11 dagar sedan
  • Eris_Raved

    im with it, im hip - dr evil

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  • Fromthedead89

    One of the best musical genres ever.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Some people think having djent guitar tone and odd time signatures automatically makes them progressive, which is hilarious...to me, progressive is more along the lines of Twelve Foot Ninja, Haken, Ne Obliviscaris, Sigh, etc. Well put together composition is definitely something missing in progressive music these days, but it's a lot less pretentious now than it was in the 1970s, fortunately. Progressive is a somewhat subjective term, because it ranges from culture to culture. French metal is nuts, but that's because the culture is already very creative, so they don't get labelled avant-garde the way a band like, say, Leprous does. The best avant-garde groups definitely started more traditional, though. When they don't start traditionally, it's just pretentious noise generally.

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  • bardofesgaroth

    Well, I can tell you this: There's really only 5 or 6 metal genres. Progressive metal as a genre doesn't really exist because it can't stand alone, it has to mix with a genre e.g. prog+heavy (Queensrÿche), prog+death (Gorguts). A lot of the times bands that call themselves "progressive" miss the idea of being progressive completely. Rather than making complex and well composed (emphasis on WELL COMPOSED) music they rely on gimmicks to make it seem like they're complex, like extended wanking sessions, nonsensical song structures, adding a random exotic instrument for the sake of adding some random exotic instrument, throwing in too much outside influence etc. A lot of the times they'll call themselves something, avant-garde black metal for example, without actually being avant-garde OR black metal. To recognize and tell those pretenders apart from the real deal, it's important to listen to pioneering and established bands in the genre first. This goes for all music genres.

    17 dagar sedan
  • Sanity_Theorist

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE It's funny to imagine black metal being a reaction to atrocities like this, haha

    17 dagar sedan
  • Sanity_Theorist

    Taking a break from looking up bands to explore the ones I've found recently, but I'll note Deathspell Omega for later...Ulver was a band that changed my view on the style a bit more as well, even if Ulver doesn't quite hook me.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Nah, I don't like Reddit...I actually saw my ignorance and it's why I just observed for a bit. The Kalmah mention is noteworthy especially, was having a difficult time classifying them. I actually learned recently that black metal has a lot of avant-garde metal in the style like Sigh. As far as conservative music goes, on that we can agree...I've been on a big phase with experimental/progressive/avant-garde music, hopefully I didn't come off as condescending. I suppose the same things I said regarding black metal initially could be directed at the top death metal bands as well, I give historical footnotes when they're due, but often even bands like Black Sabbath don't age particularly well to me. I do give props to Ihsahn for his composing style, even if I don't care for his vocals in his solo material nor Emperor.

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  • WasNotWhyNot

    my second post and bad typos so here it is third: except, conservative music is not a problem. some people like and enjoy simple and straightforward music. not everyone craves stuff that pushes boundaries, is noise influenced, genre bending, outsider art, etc. it's very common for straightforward and marketable music to be the most popular. it is not a shame that the majority have a preference you do not, it's quite common when you have strange preferences. I don't mean that as an affront, but you can't honestly expect people to seek out and give proper praise to things that break the mold, when there's no evidence of that happening anywhere.

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  • WasNotWhyNot

    besides most famous bands of the scene have broken conventions all on their own, that's the most ironic part of your decrying black metal in general. burzum broke conventions, ulver broke conventions, mayhem broke conventions, negură bunget broke conventions, summoning broke conventions, enslaved broke conventions, deathspell omega broke conventions, for a concise list of very recognizable names in black metal. dimmu borgir of all goddamn bands still plays in the emperor style, just dolled up with fancy production values. they are more rooted in 'tradition' than the other bands listed. zerscancer is a dick but was right about your ignorance.

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  • WasNotWhyNot

    sanity theorist keep your 'discussions' on reddit, it seems that's where you learned to post. what you've been describing isn't tantamount to black metal, but to all music. dark wisdom pointed out down the chain that derivative music isn't a problem with just one scene of black metal. I'll add that, quite readily, conservative music is a 'problem' with music in general.

    17 dagar sedan
  • Eliallday

    out of grindcore death metal and black metal. black metal is my favorite its very influential to metal sub genre. i love rawness atmosphere melody and folk influence in black metal. i consider myself a power metal fan but black metal just make me realize how dumb the society really is but not dumb people just belief wise. norway sweden finland has my favorite black metal bands bands like dissection, marduk, satyricon, darkthrone, bathory, dark funereal, mayhem, emperor, early dimmu borgir, 1349, windir, satanic warmaster, finntroll, taake, burzum, gorgoroth, and my favorite immortal and other from other places too.

    21 dagar sedan
  • bardofesgaroth

    Regarding Kalmah, it is power metal, just 'cause they have a dude growling doesn't change the fact that their music is power metal, same as with similar extreme power metal bands like Children of Bodom, Norther, Imperanon. The Finnish extreme power metal scene isn't influenced by the Gothenburg scene at all, the Gothenburg scene influenced melodic metalcore.

    25 dagar sedan
  • bardofesgaroth

    "crap like Immortal" Hahaha, seriously? I know they have a really goofy image, but they are one of the most consistent BM bands and they gave us Pure Holocaust. Black metal is already quite varied as it is, it's possible to find a lot of different ideas back in the 1st and 2nd wave. Minimalism, complexity, sheer rawness and brutality, atmosphere, emphasis on melody, folk influences... you can find whatever you want, as dark_wisdom said. Enslaved is not underground at all. They had a recognizable viking metal sound in their early days and also managed to expand their audience with their newer, black metal-influenced prog metal releases. Also, traditions have to be followed at least in some way. For black metal to be actual black metal rather than indie rock with tremolo picked guitars, skramz and blast beats it has to be black metal at its core. You can't just get away with using purely surface aesthetics. A monkey in a suit is still a monkey.

    25 dagar sedan
  • xVictimOfADownx

    "That staying rooted in tradition will keep this genre from its true potential." There is black metal that does, but until you get your definitions right then you won't know what changes it up or not as you don't seem to know what is trve or not within the scene it's self. There are plenty of different black metal bands out there, that RETAIN black metal as it's core influence instead of using it in a tongue and cheek way to get fans from outside genres. Some bands like Urfaust, Deathspell Omega, Negative Plane, Wormsblood, Remmirath, Blut Aus Nord, Oranssi Pazuzu etc. for examples that put their own spin on the genre nowadays.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Honestly, I watched a black metal documentary on the older bands in the style and found it hysterical...the more progressive/symphonic/avant-garde side of it has some excellent bands, however. As far as ne obliviscaris, they are definitely rather popular given that they've only released one album; I just hope they find continued success, even if I'm waiting for tighter songwriting (which will hopefully be on the upcoming double album.) I thought Enslaved were more overlooked than cult, but I can see why they are rather underground...compared to most black metal I've heard, they are as bizarre as Devo or Carnival in Coal with their experimentation.

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  • dark_wisdom

    I don't think they are overshadowed, they are just liked by different sort of people. Enslaved are a pretty old band and they have gained a lot of praise and cult following over the years, they are, in fact, one of the most well-known Norwegian black metal bands and have even gained some popularity outside the black metal scene in recent years as well as Ne Obliviscaris, a band that have released only a demo and a full-length in 10 years. Also, I understand you dislike the most primitive and traditional form of black metal but consider that "crap like bathory, burzum or immortal" are part of the reason bands like the ones you have mentioned exist.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Point taken, I do like the adventurousness of bands like Ne Obliviscaris and Enslaved. I just notice that they tend to get overshadowed by crap like Immortal; wouldn't a more dynamic sound technically have more appeal? It's less "true", but it's a lot better to me.

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  • dark_wisdom

    "staying rooted in tradition will keep this genre from its true potential" I'm going to answer with a quote from nocleansinging.com "Black metal today comes in so many shapes and textures that’s it’s almost as diverse as “death metal”, its original thorned orthodoxy having blossomed into a garden of unearthly delights" To be honest, there's no need to complaint about black metal in terms of variety, it is true that there are lots of bands that are trying to keep it the traditional way but there are also lots that are doing exactly the opposite, it's probably one of the most explored genres of metal.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Haha, are you referring to blackgaze? That crap is pretty hipster, I was referring more to underground bands like Animist that add death metal for impact.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    That staying rooted in tradition will keep this genre from its true potential.

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  • dark_wisdom

    "My original points still stand" ....and your original point is... that Black Metal sucks?

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Kalmah always seemed to have a raw production style for me; Is it more of a black metal style approach or Gothenburg melodeath, though? When I think of heavier black metal, I think Keep of Kalessin, because of the higher tonal range and more dynamic approach on Introspection. Dynamics are heavier to me than pure raw speed.

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  • capnfuckdikfinn

    Dawn, Sacramentum and Vinterland piss all over your silly melodeath Dark Tranquillity or whatever.

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  • spineshank155

    Kalmah with blackened influences?

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Only with people that seem obnoxious. My original points still stand, relentless parsing existent or not. TO black metal's credit, it has some of the most awesomely over-the-top names like Christicide and Necroflesh. May the CHKCHKCHKCHKs be with you all!

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  • dark_wisdom

    just another troll at the black metal page... how surprising

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    http://obsidiankingdom.bandcamp.com/album/mantiis Well, since I took this page full retard, might as well post good avant-garde black metal in hopes of reparations.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Maybe I should change my username to It; I'm too inhuman for a name. I already smell the stench of death before performing death metal vocals!

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Oh, I have fun with KVLT types...know any good black metal that has cassette quality? I need the maximum CHK CHK CHK CHK for the bandwidth.

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  • ZersCancer

    Sanity, do yourself a favor and STOP writing, your comments aren't helping you and you do nothing but revealing your massive ignorance towards this genre, the fact that you consider Bathory, Burzum and Immortal to be "brutal" and Dimmu Borgir to be a "top artist" really goes on to show how little you know about black metal in general. And what the fuck is "symphonic/blackened folk/power/melodic death metal"?

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Actually, I'll open this up for discussion: what do you guys (since I'm probably the only gal here) consider Kalmah? I've placed them under symphonic/blackened folk/power/melodic death metal mentally.

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Either way, if you want black metal to be taken seriously, best to start placing bands like Dimmu Borgir and Diabolical Masquerade above the BRVTAL and RAW crap like Bathory, Burzum and Immortal. At least Dimmu Borgir is a top artist here, though I'm more partial to Shade Empire since they have more dynamics (to my knowledge.)

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  • Sanity_Theorist

    Tell me how you really feel, ZersCancer. I said they were BLACKENED, not pure black metal. Kalmah and Dark Tranquillity have black metal ELEMENTS. I can't name the track offhand, but Dark Tranquillity did a pure black metal track on The Gallery Album had a stupid Nazi themed cover that was black metal, but the rest was killer blackened death metal. I'm just rather amused how many jimmies this rustled, do only Bathory and Celtic Frost style bands count as black metal to you two?

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  • dark_wisdom

    "the first one being that USBM nearly always tries (and fails) to imitate Norwegian Black Metal" To be honest, that's a flaw you can find in nearly every black metal scene around the world "The second flaw is the excessive amount of external influences" I fail to see how is that a flaw. Including external influences to your music is the first step to create a distinctive sound, "just listen to Profanatica" exactly, just listen to profanatica, and name another band at the time that sounds remotely similar to them.

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  • ZersCancer

    "Cascadian black metal" are you serious? The problem with USBM is that it suffers from 2 main flaws, the first one being that USBM nearly always tries (and fails) to imitate Norwegian Black Metal, just listen to Judas Iscariot, I like Judas' music but that doesn't changes the fact it's just a generic bm band that tried their hardest to imitate the norwegian sound. The second flaw is the excessive amount of external influences, most USBM suffers from having a bit too much death metal in their music, just listen to Profanatica. Yes, there are a handful of great black metal bands, see Arizmenda. But a handful of good bands can't save the entire US scene, sorry.

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  • capnfuckdikfinn

    Cobalt are the best thing to happen to USBM.

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  • dark_wisdom

    I never understood the hate towards USBM either, specially when they use Judas Iscarioth, a (rather good) norwegian black metal worship band. I think most USBM from 90's has its own style and a particularly unique sound. Just take a listen to demoncy, cryptic wintermoon, I shalt become, abazagorath, Profanatica to name a few, ok, it's not a complete whole different sound but it has something you couldn't easily find in your standard european black metal. Leaving the cascadian scene apart, what about the black twilight circle bands? I don't fully understand their ideology but damn they're good: As raw, savage and dissonant as it could get

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  • WasNotWhyNot

    I mean, I don't give a shit about patriotism, but if we're always so hard on usbm, will it ever be good? besides, I think the cascadian shit is good, agalloch and wolves are jamming (agalloch is nature and shit close enough). maybe they appeal to me because I'm american, I'm not saying you gotta like them, but I listed four bands that certainly aren't shit.

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  • WasNotWhyNot

    did people forget about leviathan and xasthur? that shit just not cool anymore? I mean I don't know a bunch about usbm but it can't be as shit as everyone says it is. there's shit bands in every scene. I guess it's not creditable coming from an american, I just sound like a victim, but I swear people just want to take a piss outta the USA - especially americans themselves

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  • ZersCancer

    Sanity Theorist is one of the most STUPID persons i've seen on this site, and such ignorance actually irritates me, the fact that she/he/it considers Allegaeon (A tech-death band) as "the best there is" regarding USBM is just idiotic. Yes, USBM is mostly shit but there are a handful of good bands that actually do a good job at producing decent black metal, Judas Iscariot for example. It annoys me how these fucking leftists come and start bitching about how black metal bands and artists hurt their sensibilities, FUCK OFF.

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  • xVictimOfADownx

    Yeah, he has problems with identifying genres....

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  • TheTailedBeast

    Sanity_Theorist: "A lot of it is shock value, yes. I'd probably have more respect for the genre if bands like Kalmah, Dark Tranquillity (older material) and the Hungarian Taranis were given more credence than the most popular black metal." Please tell me you didn't just call Kalmah and Dark Tranquillity black metal...

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  • GodofDeathMetal

    Black metal rox!

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  • LEIDHOLZ

    Great mix of Black Metal and Dark Ambient: LIMBUS INFANTIUM http://www.lastfm.de/music/Limbus+Infantium/LIMBUS+INFANTIUM+-+In+The+Company+Of+Ghosts

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  • Astargh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtUJSWia_qg

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