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probably a response to this mindless, inane group http://www.last.fm/group/Anti+Abortion

does the fetus have an inalienable right to be in the body of its' host against the host's will?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is only in there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time. Rights are not permissions; permissions are not rights. This permission is given by the woman, because it is her body -- and not the fetus's body, and certainly not the government's body.
To give a fetus "rights" superior to a pregnant woman is to eradicate the woman's right to her body. The principle here is: any right that contradicts the right of another cannot be a right, as rights form an integrated whole. Contrary to the opinion of anti-lifers (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig.
Why is abortion not murder?
Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not a human being -- it is a potential human being, i.e. it is part of the woman. The concept murder only applies to the initiation of physical force used to destroy an actual human being, i.e., such as when "pro-life" terrorists bomb abortion clinics. - COPIED & PASTED FROM SOME WEBSITE



WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ABORTION

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16

God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17
(Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. -- 2 Samuel 12:14

God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24

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  • aggroroofer

    interesting democratic procedure there. Speaking so long that there is no time for a vote anymore? And they even have a technical term for that manoeuvre! ParliaMENTAL democracy...

    1 jul 2013 Svara
  • JTLDN

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23061207 Woohoo! Fuck anti-choice misogynist scum

    26 jun 2013 Svara
  • ToMegaTherion88

    ABORTION <3

    23 jun 2013 Svara
  • aggroroofer

    Well, actually homosexuality and masturbation aren''t really 'natural' (in the sense of 'evolution'), since both diminish the potential reproductive capacity of the species. But then again they occur naturally/inevitably, so it's a matter of perspective.

    22 maj 2013 Svara
  • aggroroofer

    [Incidentally, there's that 'purpose' again. All evidence seems to suggest that nature is a chaotic mêlée. What sense would there be in an ice age wiping out about three quarters of earth's species? Other than population control, that is :-) ]

    19 maj 2013 Svara
  • aggroroofer

    Does make sense in the context of law. You merely want your wishes to be law. Nature does not revere life. Some species' males kill previous offspring of females they wish to mate with - only one example of the cruelty of natural life. Nature lets any creature do what lies in its power. You don't want that. And if you choose which actions are rightful (instead of just obeying your instincts) you get law and civilisation. It often isn't pretty - but however you turn it, the laws one chooses aren't divine.

    19 maj 2013 Svara
  • aggroroofer

    It should be every pregnant woman's right to abort the pregnancy for medical, social or indeed any reason. But this group is a joke! Trolling and arguing religion with religious people? Bible quotes?!

    16 maj 2013 Svara
  • Sjalistra

    I joined group for lulz 8)

    19 apr 2013 Svara
  • xxangelchanxx

    This shoutbox is even more of a joke than the people who think abortion is bad.

    15 apr 2013 Svara
  • HollowHead

    I wish my mother had an abortion.

    20 feb 2013 Svara
  • sassy_

    heck yea

    9 feb 2013 Svara
  • antisect

    @CaseyDeAnn Masturbation is evil? LOL forget what catholic preacher told you (he probably raped some kids or his ass have been sodomized by other priest :D ) and try to finger your pussy. It may be nice and it's not a sin, so you won't burn in hell. Christ isn't watching you all the time so don't be shy and go for some pleasure. peace!

    27 jan 2013 Svara
  • antisect

    @CaseyDeAnn if you want to protect human life better take care of those who live and suffer from poverty,starvation etc..instead of unborn children. For some people it's better to be unborn than suffer misery of life.What about raped women? Is abortion good then? or raped women should be forced to breed unwanted children? is it ok to force women to unwanted pregnancy? No one force you to abort fetus so please do not force those who doesn't want to raise unwanted kids. Give them a choice!!!!

    27 jan 2013 Svara
  • IHAVEAIDSLOL

    Is there something wrong with either casual sex, masturbation or abortion?

    18 jan 2013 Svara
  • JTLDN

    oh well

    6 jan 2013 Svara
  • JTLDN

    lol

    2 jan 2013 Svara
  • antisect

    IF ABORTION IS MURDER THEN MASTURBATION IS GENOCIDE

    28 nov 2012 Svara
  • leiki-kuollutta

    Use your brains, if you have any.

    6 nov 2012 Svara
  • o0z1sh

    My friend once told me abortion was her form of birth control... that and my occasional punching her in the uterus. No shame here.

    31 aug 2012 Svara
  • DelSat3

    abortion must be compulsory

    7 maj 2012 Svara
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