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Real metal for die-hard metal fans. No death/metalcore/nu-metal assholes. All legitimate forms of heavy metal permitted. Probably not a group for people who don't worship 80s metal. Listening to Sarcofago is mandatory. Fuck off the false.

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  • tomcatha

    Well it is something quite common in the scene here. There are a whole lot of people who say that black metal only counts if its from scandinavia.

    20 okt 17:34 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    I don't think anyone is saying that it's all that matters. It's just become increasingly trendy to hate Norwegian black metal, which I strongly suspect has mostly to do with the fact that it's had the most acclaim over the years. I don't think all war metal is bad either but a lot of it sounds the same, lacks audible riffs, and has obnoxious "tough guy" fans. I've had enough of it, personally.

    19 okt 20:47 Svara
  • tomcatha

    I dont really buy into the whole Bergen worship really. I like norwegian black metal but i dont really think norway is all that matters when it comes to black metal. Personally i quite like war metal and if anything it got plenty of riffs, the issue with the genre is more that most bands are rather similar to eachother. The difference are basically how much bands sound like Sarcofago or Celtic Frost for the most part.

    19 okt 20:34 Svara
  • HistoryOvHell

    Dolorian are superb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTfV0gCTpcs

    19 okt 11:37 Svara
  • Tuberkulloosi

    I stopped liking Emperor a few years ago.. I pretty much can't find anything interesting even when listening to "Nightside...", their most complimented album, today.. And mostly all Melodic Black Metal gets boring for me in just a little time.

    18 okt 12:02 Svara
  • IronGrave

    I'm not a fan of Anthems. The Wanderer is a great outro though...

    18 okt 04:16 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    I hated Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk for the longest time but I gave it another chance recently and have come to appreciate it on its own merits. It's just completely different than anything the band released prior and atypical of black metal in general.

    17 okt 20:22 Svara
  • CoryellsGhost

    Necromantia, also. Keys sometimes get a shitty rap but they're a great instrument when you have a band who can use them well and, yeah, tastefully. Though, I feel Emperor lost that 'taste' after Nightside Eclipse.

    17 okt 18:00 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    Burzum used keys, Bathory used keys at times, Obtained Enslavement has a STRONG keyboard presence but still manages to be tasteful. It's not an automatic deal breaker by any means.

    15 okt 03:58 Svara
  • CoryellsGhost

    Early Emperor is misunderstood, I think. Take Nightside Eclipse for instance - yes they were one of the first black metal bands to push keyboards into the front, but that album contains a savage, ugly turblence to it that people looking for something that's just dressed up ear candy can't get a handle on. the releases before it (s/t EP and Wrath of the Tyrant particularly) even more so!

    15 okt 01:45 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    Also, the major drive of Norwegian black metal musicians was to bring a sense of sincerity to the Satanic/anti-Christian message of the genre. Sure, it was mostly amateurish in reality but the intent is what matters. That's kind of how I defend Emperor's In the Nightside Eclipse (there have always been people around who like to shit on this album). I'm not much of a fan of symphonic black metal myself but the keyboards on this album never over-take the riffs and serve only to create a malign haunting atmosphere. It adds a level of sincerity to the album that separates it from mere shock value. Then, of course, the fact that Samoth was convicted of arson and Faust of murder. If you can get past the superficial details that make it seem like black metal for wimps, it's some of the most evil shit out there. There's definitely some context involved but even after all these years, I can't reduce it to a mere gateway album.

    15 okt 01:26 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    I'm not convinced that the appeal of Revenge/Conqueror isn't that people like the idea of being a fan of "the most extreme band EVER!" That would explain the "tough guy" elitist attitude because people probably started thinking that anything less is watered down by comparison.

    15 okt 00:18 Svara
  • CoryellsGhost

    Antediluvian's death metal so I never counted them... but all that aside, I agree in principle. I think the worst thing about a lot of the NWN! type bands is that they're lazy bands. It's easy for somebody just to lean on bassy, necro production and blasting; it's something else entirely to actually play some riffs worth a shit, and knowing when to accentuate the chaos. (hint: it's the bits BETWEEN the blasting) That's why Blasphemy, Beherit, and early Impaled Nazarene are great bands and why stuff such as Revenge is fodder, basically.

    14 okt 22:44 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    Pentagram has some of the best riffs in metal, but is also exceptionally harsh and ugly music. I honestly have a hard time believing the band's detractors have heard it and, as usual, judge the band based on their current popularity.

    14 okt 20:52 Svara
  • IronGrave

    Excellent rant. Exactly what this place needs more of! Specifically hating Norwegian black metal seems ridiculous to me. I can understand disliking the symphonic elements of some bands, but shit like old Gorgoroth, Darkthrone, Mayhem, or Immortal? Nah... Crank Pentagram and Pure Holocaust and tell me those aren't some of the best fucking riffs ever penned by a black metal band.

    14 okt 09:14 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    I like Blasphemy but find them overrated. I don't know, it's hard to tell what bands are even considered "war metal". I like Antediluvian and Teitanblood. Do they count? Conqueror and Revenge are horrible and I've been seeing more and more of their fanbase mocking people into Norwegian black metal as if it's suddenly a lesser kiddie form of black metal. I'm not sure if it's offensive or just so ridiculous that it's laughable. Either way, I've held it in for years but I've had enough of this trend already. Goat imagery was original 30 years ago. Time to move on.

    14 okt 06:47 Svara
  • CoryellsGhost

    That is, ah, an interesting rant. I agree with it except in the case of Blasphemy, actually - they had actual boss ass riffage outside of just tremolo and blasting and necro production.

    14 okt 02:49 Svara
  • SiderealPassing

    I don't know about you guys but I'm drunk and I've just about had it with Canada and their fucking bestial gas-mask wearing blast beats that are recorded in the locker room between football practices. Newsflash: if you're trying to be the most extreme band in existence, you need more than just pick slides and blast beats. Metal without riffs is just asking for every band member's skull to be so filled with glass shards that they'll become Pinhead-reminiscent mascots for Evan Williams. Furthermore, if you can't write a soundtrack reflecting actual extremity like arson and murder, your fans don't get to rewrite the definition of elitism in favor of these half-assed goat bands. 90s Norwegian black metal is the most fucking evil music to date and your goat worshiping groupies reducing it to a lesser form of black metal need education as to why riffs are the most fucking crucial part of metal, not how fucking incoherently extreme a band is. THIS IS A NO TREND ZONE!!! Fuck war metal.

    13 okt 07:07 Svara
  • IronGrave

    We were talking about the Absu album, but yeah, Barathrum is cool. I need to get more of their shit. The only issue I have is how fucking long their albums tend to be.

    12 okt 00:24 Svara
  • tomcatha

    Barathrum is just a weird band. Love them. Saw Vallenfyre last monday was pretty fun.

    8 okt 19:04 Svara
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