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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
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    More metal than Dethklok isn't saying much.

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    I seriously can' t find how to explain this to you. Grind is not metal, because it is grind. If you don' t hear the difference, you obviously don't need to care. Metal has different sound and song structure as well as technical difference. You can hear it pretty allright if you take some death/grind (, for example german death/grind classic BLOOD and true brutal death metal as Hour of Penance. Other than that, I can' t help ya, you need to hear it urself.

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    DWarsong said:
    I seriously can' t find how to explain this to you. Grind is not metal, because it is grind. If you don' t hear the difference, you obviously don't need to care. Metal has different sound and song structure as well as technical difference. You can hear it pretty allright if you take some death/grind (, for example german death/grind classic BLOOD and true brutal death metal as Hour of Penance. Other than that, I can' t help ya, you need to hear it urself.
    "Metal" has no particular sound and structure, and death/grind is metal.

  • core doesnt mean emo.Grindcore is listened by a great % metalheads , so make it metal subgenre. It carries most of the things, that make metal. No great difference, only more brutal vocals.

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    Grindcore obviously is a metal subgenre, I definitively don't like it, but its metal

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
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    if grindcore was metal, it'd been called grindmetal. What's the discussion about this matter about anyway?

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
  • sometimes this division loses sense...

    extreme noise terror, for instance, is as raw punk as death metal

  • Grindcore in essence is super sped up crust/hardcore punk, like Discharge on crack.

    Eat shit
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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
  • Crust punk is good stuff, especially Amebix.

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
  • JohanJello said:
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    Crust punk is good stuff, especially Amebix.

    Crust punk is audible rape.

    I'd agree with you if all crust sounded like Napalm Death.

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
  • JohanJello said:
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    Crust punk is good stuff, especially Amebix.

    Crust punk is audible rape.

    I'd agree with you if all crust sounded like Napalm Death.

    Is any of it, like musical? Or is it mostly just kinda noisy?

    It all depends on what you consider "musical." Amebix are pretty melodic on some songs (such as "Drink and Be Merry"). Axegrinder, too. But a lot of the more hardcore-influenced bands like Aus-Rotten and Nausea are more extreme, and tend to have shitty vocals on their songs that sound like a cat getting raped with a rusty steak knife. That doesn't really stop me from listening to them, though.

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
  • Some grind is metal; namely the stuff that takes a lot of death metal influence along with the hardcore punk, for instance later Napalm Death. In fact, Napalm are probably the best band to explain this, as their early stuff was essentially hardcore punk (Scum, From Enslavement To Obliteration). The bands that follow this style play what's known as 'pure grind'. However, later on, they added death metal influence to their music; the earliest ND release this can be heard on is probably the 'Mentally Murdered' EP. The bands that follow this style, for instance Repulsion (who actually preceded Napalm in playing this style) play 'deathgrind', which in essence is a combination of death metal and grindcore. This stuff is metal; 'pure grind', and a lot of the derivative genres (cybergrind etc.) are not.

    I run a Facebook music page, True Metal and Punk: https://www.facebook.com/TrueMetalAndPunk (the stuff posted is not limited to metal and punk but it is primarily from those two genres).
  • Pretty much what BLACKENEDPLAGUE said - grindcore is extremely sped up hardcore punk with obvious crust influences. Most grindcore bands have some death metal influences, but that doesn't make them metal.

    Also, if you cannot tell the difference between crossover and metalcore, then... I call trollin' on this one.

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 1 feb 2011, 16:04
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    Grindcore just has more of a punk\crust influence. Bands like Amebix, Discharge and the like...Look at Sore Throat, they dont have much of a metal influence.

  • Grindcore is a joint venture between metal and punk into more extreme territories. Therefore, it is a subgenre of both. You have grind that is more metal (Maruta, Pretty Little Flower, pretty much all oldschool grind bands), and grind that is more punk (Phobia, pretty much all powerviolence bands). However, grindcore has grown so much it's basically it's own genre at this point. Bands like Rotten Sound and Magrudergrind use metal riffs and punk d-beats that have both meshed completely into a single sound.

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