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CBS handed over USER DATA (including IP addresses) to the RIAA

 
    • fragmer sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:14
    Come on now, why is everyone acting so moronic about this? Give last.fm some benefit of the doubt! Don't accept TechCrunch speculation as fact. Here are a couple points to consider
    1. ALL web services log IPs. TechChrunch just did when you visited their website. If you are in US or UK (and many other countries), chances are that your ISP also logs everything you visit. It's not some extraordinary invasion of privacy for last.fm to log IPs in the first place.
    2. If you are concerned that RIAA is tracking down people listening to pirated unreleased content, here's an idea: don't broadcast it to the world via your last.fm profile! Disable scrobbling, it's 2 clicks away. Better yet, don't download pirated unreleased songs.

    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:18
    fragmer said:
    Come on now, why is everyone acting so moronic about this? Give last.fm some benefit of the doubt! Don't accept TechCrunch speculation as fact. Here are a couple points to consider
    1. ALL web services log IPs. TechChrunch just did when you visited their website. If you are in US or UK (and many other countries), chances are that your ISP also logs everything you visit. It's not some extraordinary invasion of privacy for last.fm to log IPs in the first place.
    2. If you are concerned that RIAA is tracking down people listening to pirated unreleased content, here's an idea: don't broadcast it to the world via your last.fm profile! Disable scrobbling, it's 2 clicks away. Better yet, don't download pirated unreleased songs.


    It's not just about illegal/unreleased content. It's our private data being given to someone whom we do not want it given to. Yes, websites track IPs, but most websites don't track our listening habits and then hand them over to third-party's for xyz reasons.

    Had we been told up-front that the RIAA of all organizations could request our listening habits (whether they include illegal or unreleased content or NOT) I would never have joined the site.

    • maz35 sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:25
    I will only come close to believing this story when a site much more reliable then Techcrunch reports it(that doesn't just quote techcrunch). They have never written anything positive about this place for as long as I can remember.

    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:35
    alexmuller said:
    Guys, you're jumping to conclusions. Wait for a response from the company. Innocent until proven guilty, no?

    Alex


    Not the RIAA, no.

    They lost all innocence, years ago.

    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:36
    fragmer said:
    Better yet, don't download pirated unreleased songs.


    That's what the RIAA wants out of you. :)

    Redigerat av en raderad användare den 23 maj 2009, 17:38
  • Techcrunch is a bunch of 20 year old people making up crappy news.
    Until we get Last.Fm to give a statement, or a reliable news source, the article means nothing whatsoever. Stop freaking out!

  • puffx0r said:
    I'm willing to wait for Last.FM's (or CBS') response on this issue. But if the rumors do turn out to be true, I will be deleting my tracks and closing my account. Please don't disappoint me Last.FM.
    I'm somewhere near this camp.

    PittPanthersFan said:
    Still, why would TechCrunch make up bullshit like this? If last.fm DOESN'T sue them for slandering its name, then I'll be suspicious.
    And I'd very much like to see this.

    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:40
    So, now I must delete my count. Bye, bye last.fm...

    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 17:46
    PittPanthersFan said:
    Still, why would TechCrunch make up bullshit like this? If last.fm DOESN'T sue them for slandering its name, then I'll be suspicious.


    Yes! Sue TechCruch. That is the only possible way to prove that techcruch is making it up. Until then its just going to be finger pointing. I don't trust techcruch , but I really don't trust CBS and the RIAA more.

    Good Bye Last.fm

  • Whether this is Tecrunch sensational bs or last.fm user betrayal like taking candy from a baby, I still feel all icky. I want official responses soon.

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    Redigerad av hjbardenhagen den 26 dec 2010, 05:18
    • tvrk sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:01

    Re:Re: Re: Response

    Mr_Blakk said:
    So would you like to live in a society where the authorities know exactly where you are, who you are with and what you are doing at all times? You kinda missed the point he was making about invasions of privacy. You don't need to be a criminal to see that is wrong


    Would I? Did I write that? Did You extract that moronic point from my writing?

    Why are You blabbering about "invasions of privacy" on a commercial site that collects and displays data collected from users who signed up themselves and shares whats collected with the world at large - a site owned by a player in the entertainment industry and a site mainly run by adverts (targeting You based on those same user data).

    I'd be surprised if the RIAA (wich is not "the authorities" but an "independent organisation") wasn't all over this in any way shape or form - Yes I care about privacy - when people invade my privacy - but things I share with the world are not private...

  • John_Murphy said:
    None of this bs that "the office is closed over the weekend". What are they? A shop in a mall that does set hours? I think not!

    no, they're office workers, who do office hours.

    "a fly crouching in a sandwich cannot comprehend how it has become more than ordinarily vulnerable" - ivor cutler
    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:04
    Tech Crunch Sucks. But when a company negatively effects your business people sue. Plain and simple. Something is really shady here

    • RonSijm sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:05
    Whats the problem anyway? You scrobble the songs you play, and that becomes publicly available on your profile. Even IF they send the RIAA our data, its not like they gave them anything secret.

    All humans are equal, but some are just more equal than others
  • John_Murphy said:
    And Last.fm are a bunch of 20 year old people making up rules as they go along & screwing their users.
    This is NOT the first time Last lied and manipulated you people, is it?
    Erm. When was the first time?

    RonSijm said:
    Even IF they send the RIAA our data, its not like they gave them anything secret.
    That's not entirely true. The accusation is that they handed over private IP addresses of users, which would be a serious breach of their privacy policy (not that I've read it...)

    • Mr_Blakk sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:10

    Re: Re:Re: Re: Response

    tvrk said:
    Mr_Blakk said:
    So would you like to live in a society where the authorities know exactly where you are, who you are with and what you are doing at all times? You kinda missed the point he was making about invasions of privacy. You don't need to be a criminal to see that is wrong


    Would I? Did I write that? Did You extract that moronic point from my writing?

    Why are You blabbering about "invasions of privacy" on a commercial site that collects and displays data collected from users who signed up themselves and shares whats collected with the world at large - a site owned by a player in the entertainment industry and a site mainly run by adverts (targeting You based on those same user data).

    I'd be surprised if the RIAA (wich is not "the authorities" but an "independent organisation") wasn't all over this in any way shape or form - Yes I care about privacy - when people invade my privacy - but things I share with the world are not private...


    man you don't cope with analogies well do you

    and you keep missing the point

    these are things that in the terms and conditions aren't supposed to be shared with the world, and it's moronic to suggest only criminals should have privacy concerns

    damn

    i hope you had as much fun reading my post as i did writing it thankyou for coming please come again ♥
  • c-reus said:
    why on earth is Last.fm logging IP addresses in the first place?

    ChrisageUK said:
    Every single web service/website you visit does. Literally.
    Even the most basic web hosting packages usually have statistic modules that give you in depth drill downs of IP addresses/geo-location/operating system etc etc.

    This counts for literally every web page u visit. U ignorant idiots should know better by now : HodgeStar said:
    why paragraph 4.1 in their privacy policy.

    Jonty (staff) said:
    You're referring to this?
    4. Browser Information

    We collect data regarding the users of Last.fm, including: (i) The Internet Protocol (IP) address of the user’s computer. This may or may not be associated with a particular Internet Service Provider (ISP); (ii) The referring URL, if any; (iii) The browser software identification (i.e. the brand and version of your browser software).

    That is just the information collected by the apache webserver logs, and every website you ever visit logs these things, even google. We have to state publicly that we record it legally though.
    And what Last.Fm mentiones about passing data to 3rd parties are nothing but scrobbling data. Not your personal info. They can't even do that because if they did, European law would bash Last.Fm to death in no timeJohn_Murphy said:
    Kinda is but points out Last.fm isnt being so quick to answer and call it bs like they originally did.

    alexmuller said:
    It took them a day or so last time, too... TechCrunch seems to be very, very good at posting articles on a Friday night or Saturday morning. I'd guess there's close to nobody in the office, and there won't be till Tuesday (it's a bank holiday weekend). Give them time and they should say something.
    Last.FM Blog:
    "Techcrunch are full of shit"
    Monday, 23 February 2009 (by Richard Jones}


    On Friday night a technology blog called Techcrunch posted a vicious and completely false rumour about us: that Last.fm handed data to the RIAA so they could track who’s been listening to the “leaked” U2 album.

    I denied it vehemently on the Techcrunch article, as did several other Last.fm staffers. We denied it in the Last.fm forums, on twitter, via email – basically we denied it to anyone that would listen, and now we’re denying it on our blog.

    According to Ars Technica, even the RIAA don’t know where the rumour came from. The Ars Technica article is worth a read by the way, as it explains how the album was leaked in the first place by U2’s record label.

    All the data and technical side of Last.fm is hosted in London and run by the team here. We keep a close eye on what data mining jobs we run, not because we’re paranoid the RIAA is trying to infiltrate us, but because time on our Hadoop Cluster (where the data lives) is so precious and we have lots of important jobs that run every day. It’s simply impossible for anyone to run a job without the team here noticing.

    When you signup to Last.fm and scrobble what you listen to, you are trusting us with your listening data. We take this very seriously. The old-timers on Last.fm who’ve been with us since the early days can attest to this – we’ve always been very open and transparent about how your data is used. This hasn’t changed. We never share personally identifiable data such as email and IP addresses. The only type of data we make available to labels and artists, other than what you see on the site, is aggregate data of listeners and number of plays.

    Artists and labels can login to our MusicManager site to upload new content and update their catalogue. The MusicManager is also where artists and labels can see statistics on how popular their content is with Last.fm users.

    If you were U2’s record label and logged in to the MusicManager today, you would see this:



    …and you could pat yourself on the back for a successful album launch. All the controversy and press coverage surrounding the leaked release caused an obvious spike in the number of people listening to U2 recently.

    So do us a favour – if you see people spreading the rumour, refer them to this blog post and mention you heard from a friend that “Techcrunch are full of shit.”


    Now, sit back, relax, and wait for a proper, detailed Last.Fm answer about how exactly they deal with your (personal) info.

    And check the Privacy Policy page. Many interesting things are mentioned there. READ IT. One thing I will share hereIf you would like to obtain information about how we may have shared your information with third parties for their direct marketing purposes, you may send such requests to us via postal mail at: Data Access Request, Last.fm Limited, Karen House, 1-11 Baches Street, London, N1 6DL or contact us via email at: legal@last.fm.If u don't like this policy, then delete EVERY account u have on the web. Lots of stuff mentioned in this policy counts also for lots of other sites. DON'T BE IGNORANT FUCKS

    Redigerad av JeroenKlomp den 23 maj 2009, 18:43
    • Penish sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:30
    This stinks!

    I've been a huge fan of last.fm and really think they have a great product, unfortunatly they fucked up by accepting CBS' buyout which got them into a much bigger company than last.fm was meant to be.

    Their non-responsiveness and the time it takes to come up with an answer, much unlike last time techcrunch wrote something similar, makes me think shit truly has hit the fan. And if so I would like to know what privacy laws have been broken.

    join us!

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    • [Raderad användare] sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:40
    Legal stuff is kind of funny.

    • xParker sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 18:45
    *insert overreaction here*

  • Why are people using so much bold...?

    Anyway, as others have said before me, it took a few days before we received an official response last time too, so calm down. Also, as others also have said, even if this data was handed over, I don't see what they would be able to do with it, considering it's just metadata. (feel free to whine about the privacy bit though)

    ... although it's not like anyone will listen this time either.

    Also, I should probably move this. But I'm lazy.

    The most pointless war in history needs to be stopped. So join and stuff.
  • Once again, this just goes to prove that no good can ever come from listening to U2.

    • chicheme sa...
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    • 23 maj 2009, 19:37
    edh es kueko

  • tbh i think this is all shit

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